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Mr. Anchetta, I just received your email (attached below). I take it you decline my offer to explain your side of the story and prefer to blackmail...

Received via feedback:
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"We have about 45 agents that will be continuosly posting information about the validity of WhoCallsMe on anti-WhoCallsMe forums.  I've already asked numberous times for you to remove information that is invalid - from individuals who we haven't contacted.  This is not a large request - you have been daily removing my posts and some Pro-Primerica posts from this page.  By mid week we will start our aggressive campaign to challenge the validity of WhoCallsMe.  We have a lot of information, and have accumulated over the past 2 weeks phone numbers of individuals from your team.  Again - ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS FOR POSTS FROM PEOPLE THAT WE DID NOT CALL TO BE REMOVED.  We want nothing else.  

Thank You for your understanding
Ray Anchetta"
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You will be challenging the validity of WhoCallsMe? This is not Britannica, if you have not noticed, it's a USER SUPPLIED reverse phone number lookup database. There's bound to be discrepancies and incorrect information. It's up to the end user of that information to make conclusions based on the available data.

You will be challenging the anonymous posters? If yes, why not here? Please, again, tell us why the posters are wrong? We do want to hear your side of the story. I am not against you, Mr. Anchetta, even though you are making it difficult for me to stay objective.

Also, I NEVER removed Pro-Primerica posts from this page. I removed spam, which included positive AND negative comments.

Thank you for your timely response Julia Forte.  I’ve been writing to you and your team for three weeks now, and until now you hadn’t responded.  

“The users say they were contacted by Primerica; you say Primerica never contacted them and ask to take your word for it?....”

Yes! As a responsible administrator I’d ask that you look at the facts, many of which were provided to you in “!” replies.  Primerica has over 6000 offices in the United States and Canada.  When someone ‘Googles’ Primerica – This forum does pop up.  There are many cases in this blog that site “I've read through quite a few of the posts in this forum and couldn't resist throwing in my opinion...” and “My husband got 'hired' by Primerica about two months ago through CareerBuilder.com. He has a bachelors degree in Public Relations...” These are just two examples of many that are either ‘passer-bys’ or disgruntled with someone else using this form to vent! NO ONE HERE has EVER used CareerBuilder, We’ve Never travelled to St.Louis (another post), and we sure as heck never met (or called) “Punch” who clearly wrote “I was recently referred by a friend to "Primerica" for an "opportunity." “

On your home page it is written:

Reverse Phone Number Lookup
This is a user supplied database of phone numbers of telemarketers, non-profit organizations, charities, political surveyors, SCAM artists, and other companies that don't leave messages, disconnect once you answer, and simply interrupt your day.
If you received a strange call, unwanted SMS message, or just came across a number you don't recognize and want more information about, most likely you are not the only one. Search for this phone number to see the reports of others. If there are no reports yet, leave your comment to start a conversation.
“What's clear is the public has questions about Primerica and how it operates. Could you address the questions and refute the wrongful information in a public response?” Julia – if the ‘public’ has questions they can call us.  They are welcome to comment to any of our representatives directly – IF WE’VE CALLED THEM!  If they have issues with other offices or divisions of the company they need to resolve those issues with those offices or our Home Office.  Allowing negative and abusive posts remain when they are not of our doing is completely unfair.
“You will be challenging the anonymous posters? If yes, why not here?” We are only challenging the posting for which we know for certain we DID NOT CALL.  I’m not going to get into an on-line debate with people I have never called nor met.  As “difficult” as it is for you to “stay objective” we’re simply asking you to diligently read through the comments – it’s clear that there are multiple comments that we obviously NEVER CALLED! In fact, about 10 days ago we tagged all the comments that were never CALLED by our office.
Again, I appreciate your response.  I know as a responsible business woman it is of the upmost importance to maintain both your integrity and dignity.  Oh, and before you write “I take it you decline my offer to explain your side of the story and prefer to blackmail...” Give me more than 50 minutes to respond – I do work too sometimes!

Ray Anchetta

Mr. Anchetta,

I received another "warning" from you.  

I informed your heard office of this extortion attempt. Extortion is a federal crime and I will be speaking to my attorney about this.

Regards,
Julia Forte

Hello Ms. Forte

I think you need to take action againts these vicious cretins.  First they spam your site with fake postings trying to promote their activity.  Then they post abusive comments against anyone who dares complain about them, and demand that any negative posts be removed.  Then they post defamatory slanderous accusations againts your person, followed by threats to extort  you.

Now, this Grossman idiot, who apparently is in charge of that particular office, is employed by Primerica Financial Services Canada (a seperate entitiy from the American head office I believe) -

Primerica
2000 Argentia Road
Plaza 5, Suite 300
Mississauga, Ontario,
L5N 2R7

Telephone: 905 812 2900
Fax: 905 813 5310

You may also wish to contact the Finanical Services Commission of Ontario, which is responsible for licensing insurance agents in Ontario and investigating breach of conduct:

http://www.fsco.gov.on.ca/en/About/contact/Pages/default.aspx

There is only one agent listed for this "office" on the Primerica website, not the big gang of 45 that this "Ray Anchetta" imbecile has mentioned, and that agent is Tal David Grossman.  The "Ray Anchetta" may be another one of his bogus aliases or someone acting on his behalf.

Good luck with your efforts and keep us posted.  These people are an embarrassment to all those in the financial services industry and need to be dealt with.

If you are being harassed or extorted call your local police department--not an attorney. They have special tasks forces, or they will contact your local FBI department  that works with wire fraud, which is what these calls fall underneath due the fact they called you on a phone. They will give you the information/advice  you need to help you.

The number associated with this address is 4000 Steeles Avenue West in Woodbridge, Ontario, Canada which is just north of the city of Toronto.  The local police there would be the Ontario Provincial Police -

http://www.opp.ca/ecms/index.php?id=285

Julia, thank you for standing your ground. Mister Grossman's threats I hope serve to strengthen your great resolve in creating this place for the harassed to share their experiences.

I gots a job from Ray and he was nice too me and my kids too. he gave extra monies to help me with rent and presents for my kids. now i make good moneies, and can afford all new thing and stuff without worring bout bills or rent with my new curear.

While a Primerica rep has yet to cross my path, I am commenting here as is my federally protected right and as permitted by this site's terms of service. You keep harping on the appearance of comments from people your office has never heard of ..... and this is something you can apparently divine in the absence of actual legal names and addresses. I will not speak of Primerica as though I have firsthand knowledge of its practices, nor would I, with or without the controversy which hangs over the firm. This will hopefully satisfy your criteria for people you, a non-site administrator, personally feel are qualified to contribute to Primerica discussion threads.

I *can* talk about experiences I've had in commissioned sales. Different names, different products, but similarities in my story and of those reporting on Primerica are striking. It starts out with big-dollar promises for the "motivated". A couple of managers with firm hand grips turn up the flattery and paint a picture of all the trophy goods you'll be buying in a few months when you've seized your dream. They don't seem at all concerned for your actual aptitude or professional background. In fact, they make this dazzling offer to anyone with a pulse and a good pair of shoes.

Then comes an intensive "training" period which is really just glorified orientation, teaching very little. They make you an "independent agent", yet enforce your dependence on the home office with yet more dubious "training" and cheerleading meetings, keeping you generally on a short leash. You're told to ignore people who question your new pursuit, because "THEY" don't understand how the "real world" works. You endure this because the product is actually very good and unique, and should halfway sell itself.

You spend a ridiculous amount of time and fuel finding leads while scoring few if any real sales. This of course is always the greenhorn seller's fault, not the fact he was sent out to the street without being taught the job. Despite your miserable performance you are given new trainees to work the field with, who just joined maybe two weeks behind you, and you're told you have to be their sherpas.

A cycle forms of browbeating and cheerleading from management, your deepening poverty from lack of sales, and a constant influx of new employees who are illiterate, or have stage fright, or who are otherwise completely wrong for the job and sabotage everyone who really wants the work. This continues until you self-destruct from exhaustion or finally wise up and leave the handcuffs of promise for some other victim. On your way out they're still trying to convert you away from a rational decision with emotional arguments. They react with rehearsed surprise, call you a "quitter", yet praise your hard work and "keep the door open".


In reviewing comments for and against your firm I can hypothesize if not conclude that all of the above disadvantages to commissioned sales at dysfunctional companies are shouldered by the Primerica reps, then turned up another ten points on the Annoy-ometer. Detractors of Primerica speaking from their own experience often have richly detailed stories, the kind which are difficult to fabricate. Often their author's voices are not shrill and come from a posture of reason and a willingness to work hard at a worthy goal.

Meanwhile, supporters of Primerica show a consistent disdain for those people, their former brothers and sisters in the labor force. From their view, anyone who parachuted away from a plane with clipped wings was obviously lazy and stupid, needs to "grow up", "smell coffee", and other bullying cliches. Then they beat their breasts and laud Mother Primerica for its annual earnings, number of office footprints, and business affiliations, like somehow that will directly help all the skilled talent going unemployed.

In short, I believe the former sales reps a lot sooner than I believe you and your shill patrol, especially given that your own response to the conflict has been more of the same juvenile sputtering and denigration, seen dozens of times before from guardians of fruadulent businesses. Maybe we skeptical types don't understand how your world or "the real world" works, but you and your kind understand even less how the internet works. Negative comments appear, in your words "numberous times", because caring and distinct and geographically separate personalities put them there simply to help others. There is no conspiracy, no star chamber for the disgruntled.


You complain repeatedly in all caps that people have beefed whom your office "DID NOT CALL". Well, plenty of commentors in this thread do claim to be call recipients, apparently not given the benefit of transparency. One is not required to be a call recipient through a single given phone number to contribute here. One *is* prompted to submit accurate reports, and sometimes good collective knowledge must come from persons without a horse in a particular race. The whole point of these caller sites is to help identify callers AND their motives for placing calls. If those motives prove innocent, the callers have little to worry about from negative remarks. Readers can in fact and should make up their own minds.

You of course discourage such independent judgment, and prefer to strip comments of their context. The person from May 2011 who you find objectionable because s/he "couldn't resist throwing in [an] opinion" said in the very next sentence s/he "had been involved with Primerica full-time for about 2.5 years." You're quick to deny affiliation with a job hunting site (per "Scammed" from 12 Sep) but have nothing to say about business practices which sound poised to destroy that woman's husband and her marriage. Perhaps you personally never set foot in Missouri or met any young man like "Punch", but surely you don't meet with each trainee yourself. Isn't that what all the manic recruitment is for?

You act as if censoring one mystery caller site will be enough to solve your problem. Multiple sites in many directions echo this conversation. You fuming reputation repairmen throw hissy fits the moment you realize you have no tight control over your message in this medium, as you enjoy in broadcast and print. The pipes here carry flow in TWO directions and content can irrigate many fields beyond its source; the sooner you embrace that fact the better your relationship will be with visitors to the virtual town square.

You might have had a more constructive response than pointing blaming fingers at the victims and making threats you can't seriously carry out, but you insist on playing the wounded bird. The fact is, you were given an olive branch here, and you slapped it away. The animosity against your firm will only grow, not shrink. Whatever happens next in your campaign of spite will be all your doing, and please don't expect your fractured logic or your toady lawyers to help.

In a sidebar to this hoo-hah, here's this week's business news on Primerica:

Citigroup to Sell Last of Its Stake in Primerica
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/citigr ... rimerica-stake/

"Citigroup ... prepares to sell the last of its remaining shares in the firm it took public last year.
. . . . . . . . . .
Primerica’s stock was down about 6 percent in premarket trading on Tuesday."

Citi Sells Last of its Primerica Shares
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marketnewsvideo/2 ... imerica-shares/

"Citi spun off the provider of insurance, investment and savings products last year. Primerica now serves “Main Street” America as a standalone company, competing with companies like MetLife and Prudential."


So Primerica now has to strike "subsidiary of CitiGroup" from all of its promo copy and sales presentations. It's been reported that sales spielers would try hard not to mention the name "Primerica" until totally necessary. Momma's apron is lifted from its face now, not that hiding behind a Bailout Bank was any great shakes. The Primerica name is part of a long heritage of fraud and name changes, and if the current name is as soiled as certain corporate trolls fear, another rebranding is coming in 2012.

You really have no clue resident! We will see how great this legendary giant will be in 2012! Follow us at www.nyse.com ticker symbol pri. I love how unregulated the internet is but i gave you a regulated website to follow us! Im a proud client of primerica for over 15 years and they have done nothing but told me the truth about my finances. My kids school is now paid because of the education i was provided by my rep. Thanks pfs, another satisfied client :)

Truth:

-Primerica is not a pyramid scheme, pyramid schemes are illegal.  If Primerica was a pyramid scheme, this post wouldn't exist, along with Primerica.

-Primerica's products are legit, and highly recommended.

-Compensation is 100% commission. (Insurance Sales/investments completed by the agent, and the agents listed under their code)

-Mr. Grossman is a great seller, with no heart, and only sees dollar signs.

-Great opportunity if you are willing to put in work.  This kind of work, should be only recommended to people are truly self-motivated, and goal oriented.  If you need to be instructed on what to do, you better off at McDonald's.

-You need a vehicle to be successful in this business, very few have become successful while using public transportation.

-Everything is sugar coated, in the "opportunity meeting", do your own credible research before making the decision, no need to rush in signing up, Primerica is ALWAYS going to be hiring, don't let anyone fool you.

-Only you can determine what is right for you and no one else.  Just because the opportunity didn't work for you, doesn't make it a scam or fraud, you were just unsuccessful, don't take it to heart.

-Cold-calling is one of the ways that Primerica recruits.  Primerica will teach other recruiting techniques such as:
--3-footing, (Random stranger comes and talks to you, and offers an opportunity in person)
--Warm market (New recruits friends and family will be contacted if they are interested in a new work opportunity)
--Employment sites such as Monster.ca (This will result in a cold call from the agent)

wow if you check there has been posts on here since 2008!!!!
well I got a call also samething as all of the above and still same address on steeles
thank you everyone after reading this i wont be going either
its truly sad when companies pry and try to scheme the unemployed
run around all over the city only to be disappointed!
waste of gas and time!!!!!!!!!
im soooooooooooo tired of these companies thank god for posts like this one!
saves time and money
good luck to all my fellow unemployed friends out there!

I neen worling for 3 years. I quiet last night. The company does take your money. I knwo longer could treat people the way they train us to treat. I am also working with the law guys now about this company as a insider.

I joined Tal's office 2 months ago. Primerica paid for all my licensing, my mutual fund licenses, and has not only helped my family and a few of my friends, but has given me a system for referrals and continued success. Not sure why there is so much dislike for someone as successful as Tal, but the bigger you get in business the more people try to take shots at you. To the writer above, you have it all wrong. You obviously didn't invest enough time researching the truths, you are misinformed and probably still unemployed! Everything that was promised to me has been delivered!

I have no clue how these people got my info. They called offering a job training CSR's, and sales agents. I called back to inquire about their pay structure only to find out it's all commission based. Stay away from them if your looking for a reliable job.

The Primerica reps in this thread appear to believe insulting people makes them look successful and legitimate ...

This response is just so profesionl (mispell intential) for a Vice President, wow I want to meet all the rest of you great people at Primerica, how could you not with this ttype of great attitidue.

After seeing the list of CMA sponsors on their website, I question the point of checking with the CMA.  Here is the quote from their website that matters: "CMA is a private trade association funded by its members."  The CMA isn't out there to promote good.  It's out there to promote the sponsors' interests.  Strawberry said, "If not listed, ask yourself why?"  Shall I raise suspicion to the tens of thousands of other companies, then?  How about asking why there are only 20 sponsors to the entire organization, and why they are bothering with funding the CMA?  Whatever may be said about MLMs and Primerica, I question Strawberry's judgement.

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