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Our marketing materials is a phone call. That is our first point of contact. We can't show a phone number ect over a phone but if your mother had asked for the phone number, website ect we are glad to give them out.  Our website has all our registered company details on.
Unfortunately even though express law call everyone over the age of 18 the community care act does effect those aged 50 plus more then them under 50. This is a fact and we do not target the elderly. We don't even have people's ages on our system. We mention scammers on our site as a lot of people worry about scammers and with us being a legitimate company we feel it is right to make people aware. Most people praise us on this not attack us about it!

All our consultants are fully trained in every aspect of the community care act, lasting power of attorney, will writing and funeral plans. Oh and also probate fees and trusts. We are specialists in this area as high street solicitors do not deal in this as you have to specialise in it. they also all carry full photographic identification.
No we are not financial advisors and cannot help people sort out their finances and it is not something we offer and we never ask about what money you have.

I apologise if you feel we have used bully tactics but that is deffinatley not how the girls speak  to potential customers they have a set script to stick to. We are here to help anybody protect their savings and homes from the councils so that what they have worked for all their life's can be left to their family.

Thankyou

And just to point out after asking kw many times why this forum is made up of post by him and failing to get a reply once agin this page and the last page 97% of post are by kw.

They just repost random crap anyone can find with google.

"Our marketing materials IS a phone call.* That and the fact that you don't know its etc not ect, seems to sum up the education level of the company. "We can't show a phone number over the phone."  If the person receiving the call has Caller ID the only reason a number would not show up is if the person making the call withholds it.  Is that what you do?  If so, why?

El Thankyou for your comments. We would like to say that this is not a hate campaign. We are a group of people (not an individual) that have come together to Protect the Elderly and Vulnerable. We want to make sure that they get their affairs in order with a professional and regulated body (either a Will Writer within the IPW or a Solicitor) who will charge them an acceptable fee and that the consumer actually receives the service and paperwork that they pay for.

We probably do post more than anyone else, however, we do not post "random crap anyone can find with google" as you say. It is all relevant information and we're merely saving people time searching the internet as it's all here in one place, and we really don't mind taking the time to assist.

Please can you explain these facts:
*Why the Directors of Express Law feel the need to adapt their Names and change their Date's of Birth

*Martin Smith (A Director of Express Law) and John Trotter (a former Secretary/Director of Express Law) have worked with Gerald Barton for many years, especially within Nationwide Legal Services and NLS Sheffield who together scammed £14 Million from unknowing Franchisees looking for a new business opportunity within the Will Writing Industry

*Mr Smith & Mr Trotter both knowing ran Wills & Trusts UK Ltd in York without Mr Barton which has resulted in a 'Court Order to Compulsory Winding Up' for much of the same, taking £6,950 each from Franchisees and therefore continuing the business of NLS Sheffield and Nationwide Legal Services.

*Mr Smith is now running 4Solar Ltd based in Doncaster, offering yet another 'business opportunity' of a Franchise for the same total of £6,950 + VAT.

Thankyou for reading.

KW

You previously moaned about us being insult yet you have just posted insinuating we are stupid. My personal education includes degrees from university. So please do not assume. And every company withholds their number even BT.

Your marketing material = material that you hand out to people, provide direct to them. Not your phone patter. For someone saying that they have a degree I wonder now about your ability to digest what has been said and apply it. That said, I applaud you on having a degree – what was it in? Did you have a fun time at Uni? Was this where you saw yourself back when you were having a pint in the Uni bar? Don’t ever forget to follow your dreams.

I regress, let me restate my points.
You are not a member of the law society but offer ‘guidance on power of attorney and will writing’. I’d always advise someone to go to see their solicitor for this information, not someone who has ‘trained in it’ but shows no formal qualifications that would elicit me to believe they spoke from a position of knowledge. But they do say you can train anyone to do anything these days. Maybe our lawyers are incorrect in their approach and should not bother with the years of training, examinations, qualifications, study etc.
The problem with this is that ‘only… training’ is not a valid enough reason to be able to pontificate on a legal subject matter, well that’s my opinion.

So, lets now return to the points you are making – your marketing methods, phone lists, method of drumming up business. It REEKS of desperation. Don’t you think so? Or are you proud to use cold call methods, where you pressurise and strong arm using words that strike fear into many people. How do you manage to do that? I’m guessing you go and hug a tree at the weekend to get back your balance with life, your self belief and self esteem.  
I say that with zero tolerance for companies who build up business using such methods – so my negative feelings relate to all those who use such methods (you are just one of the bunch).

I think you’ll actually find that most ‘high street’ solicitors have within them a balance of skilled (trained AND qualified) workers who can handle the concerns of the ‘high street’ customer in relation to the items you deem to be specialists in. That’s my experience having worked with solicitors on a number of projects from a good number of towns in the UK – so I feel your indication to ‘talk down’ the ‘high street’ solicitor is defamatory. And I feel it is defamatory to members of the law society.

Interestingly you state that you don’t ask about finances – how can you manage to do that when dealing with wills, trusts etc. You also seem to use probate as something that can concern a person. You cannot calculate the actions they need to take to protect their funds without having an indication of their worth.
But good for you – you say you can do this without that information – bravo! Can you please provide me with the lottery numbers as you seem to have amazing powers in this area.

I also can derive I’m speaking with a male person based on you calling your team ‘girls’. Gosh – yes, I said it – gosh. I’d have used ‘consultants’ or something far more professional!

When you redesign this obviously money making business into its next evolution – which is sure to happen – I advice you step up your level of attention to detail. Because you trip yourselves over again and again. Even by responding and replying to this forum.

I’m also lacking any respect for your responses based on your repeated negative position to the poster KW. If you were indeed proud of what you did, believed in it, felt strongly and confidently about it, didn’t see holes in your possibly (but not in my opinion) plausible business type and plan you would not need to reply. But as you don’t have the true answers you have to keep on trying to weakly defend your position with flimsy and poorly constructed responses and repartee.
I’d wish you good luck but I’d be lying.

Question to all who have had dealings with this outfit.
Am I correct in thinking that we need to contact the following
1) trading standards
2) local MP
3) local newspapers

is there any other ways in which we can raise the awareness of this method of financial entrapment into documentation which will not hold up when tested under law?

Or is that documented on an earlier page. I'm still reading through the item.

Is there...  are there... should re-read before posting! Apologies.

I say this as the response from those from the firm in question indicates that they are pedants in regard the posts, simply to deflect from their own lack of preparation and execution.

Every company does not withhold its number.  Reputable companies have no problem with their numbers appearing on Caller ID.  Even some rogue companies do not withhold their numbers. Why would a legitimate, wellmeaning, company have a problem with its prospective customers 'phoning it back? Having read your second post I am sure your theses were a joy to read.

Their is no point what so ever in me responding to you anymore. I was very polite in replying and you have been very rude and sarcastic in reply. Yes I have a degree in psychology. I work at express law as I have only just finished my degree and had to WORK to fund my university fees. Yes I enjoyed uni thank you and no I didn't sit in uni bars as I had a family to come home to. I hope that you feel better knowing that!

I could rip any firm apart just like you are trying to. You are obviously more than happy to let your mother lose her home to pay for her care fees or let me guess you will be happy to wipe her bum if the unfortunate was to happen?

Also I am female. And the are girls, females, women or however you want me to put a human with a [***] I would not call them consultants as that is not what they are.

Further more I will not be responding. You can join the campagne of around 6 people and kw who have been bringing us down for 2 years.

Oh and the fact your mother had the consultation yet failed to inform you before hand may just say something about your relationship with her.

It would appear that these scum are targeting the elderly and vunerable in the North East. My mother received a call from Kingsgate Legal Assistance (Bridlington), offering to take care of her property in the event needing to go in to care. An appointment has been made and will be duly cancelled. These people should be taken out to Afganistan and let them operate there!

Thank you for your response El. In the current environment I can understand that ‘a job is better than no job’, I even admire that you continue to fight the cause of your employer – a commendable quality. The attacks your will find are not directed at you but the outfit you badly attempt to defend.

What you continue to miss are my points that you are at no time defending. Which to me is the whole point of your efforts to respond – or they should be – if your company was indeed professional in their activities.

The business has a serious lack of true legal weight – you are not a member of the law society, from what I can derive. The business has a lack of financial training to guide clients in depth through the planning they require in this area.
The company’s methods, wording, approach, tactics, hard sell, scare-tactics etc are a sad reflection of the society we live in where it’s OK to push it, even if it’s not done right, because at the end of the day it’s the clients fault if they are duped. They can put the phone down, they can tell you to leave their house (really… your people don’t have a good reputation in regard to good manners and over staying their welcome).

Comments from the numerous pages speak of the poor quality of work, the gaping holes in the product, the strong arming to obtain what your company exists on and is motivated by – money.

And worst still – the costs are ridiculous compared to seeing an independent financial advisor (who earns commission from the products sold) and a fully qualified solicitor.

If anyone was to be called by an outfit who are NOT registered with the Law Society, yet they offer legal advise, needs to be made aware that this is not acceptable. Which is the reasoning behind a site such as this – there are pages of examples on here.

One last point on this post regarding the issues we’re all addressing here – you see 6 people responding. I’m seeing lots more people reading, word of mouth and the power of the internet far our weighs the weaknesses that you are trying to indicate.

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Now, as you made it personal I’d like to respond.
I found it interesting that you talk of me and my sarcasm etc. However, you lower the discussion with your personal attacks on myself, my mother – this shows a serious lack of professionalism.
She’s a wise old owl my mum – she attended a group presentation for folks of her age (they normally get to receive talks on nice things like Windmills and painting), she took notes, refused (even when pursued why she would not divulge her details) to give her details.
I know I didn’t need to explain myself but let me bring you and your bright mind back to one point – you are reading into my words and not reading my words.

So read and learn, don’t be so defensive. If you want to keep posting I suggest you do so with some true facts. You want to convince us all that this is not a scam, not lacking in professionalism, not duping people – then get your facts in order and state them. But do yourself a favour and stop being such a ‘girl’ (you indicate it’s how you’d prefer to be addressed).

To all Readers, information about Inheritance & Probate Solutions Limited based in Newark and Sleaford:

AP01    11/04/2012    DIRECTOR APPOINTED MR BRUCE MALCOLM SEMLEY
TM01    14/04/2012    APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR JEANNETTE VARSZEGI-HASTE
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/0954439b913 ... cprodorder?ft=1

Mr Bruce Malcolm Semley    DOB: 02 Jun 1949    British
1st Floor, 2 Woodberry Grove, North Finchley, London, England, N12 0DR

INHERITANCE AND PROBATE SOLUTIONS LIMITED 07826175 Incorporated 27 Oct 2011 *Live*
1st Floor, 2 Woodberry Grove, North Finchley, London N12 0DR
https://www.jordanwatch.co.uk/reports/Process ... dirNo=D16824057
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/916824057

Thankyou for reading.

KW

Not editing... Bite on the oversized word.

To all Readers, We hope this link will be of use: http://www.snapsurveys.com/swh/surveylogin.asp?k=133095764648 

Tell The Information Commissioners Office about electronic marketing communications you have received

*If you've had an unwanted marketing call or message we want to know about it.  
*They will use the information you give them to help build a picture of these communications.
*The more information you are able to provide, the more likely it is that they will be able to identify the companies involved and take action against them.

Thankyou for reading.

KW

To all Readers: Regulation of will-writers will affect solicitors too
Monday 30 April 2012 by Rachel Rothwell

The solicitors’ profession was punching the air in celebration last week when the Legal Services Board announced its intention to finally bring will-writing into the regulatory fold.

There is no shortage of evidence about the misery caused by unscrupulous will-writers; a story from last year about a firm that dumped its documents on the pavement after going bust springs to mind as one of the worst examples. But it must be pointed out that the vast majority of those who write wills, whether they are solicitors or not, are competent and professional individuals, who provide a good service; and indeed the non-regulated sector has proven very successful in offering, for example, home visits, which make it as easy as possible for people to make a will (when it comes to writing wills, people are always looking for an excuse to do it tomorrow, not today). These reputable firms will probably welcome the opportunity to pin the badge of regulation on their lapels (though they may be less keen on the accompanying cost). But proper regulation should - at last - see off the rogues.

The new regulatory rules will cover the activities of will-writing, probate and estates administration, whoever does it - so they will apply to solicitors as well as everyone else. The LSB clearly has its doubts about the effectiveness of solicitors’ current regulation in these areas, asserting that problems with quality, service, transparency and fraud exist in both the regulated and unregulated sectors (although it does concede that the worst sales practices, and problems with the safekeeping of wills and options for redress, are largely confined to will-writers rather than solicitors).

The LSB says the way solicitors are regulated at the moment puts too much emphasis on controlling entry to the profession, without being targeted to the risks. Instead, it wants to see front-line regulators like the Solicitors Regulation Authority conducting more risk-based monitoring and supervision in relation to wills. The level of inspection a firm should expect would depend on the regulator’s analysis of the risk they present; so you might assume that a well-run firm whose wills are written by qualified staff would receive fewer visits.

Bodies that want to regulate will-writing will need to place a tick in the box to show they have the following in place: a mandatory register of the organisations they have authorised to write wills; a fit and proper person test before anyone can be licensed to write wills; a code of conduct covering sales practices; a requirement that firms must have an appropriately trained workforce; a strategy for supervision and enforcement, with financial penalties for transgression; requirements for firms to have in-house complaints procedures (they will also be subject to the Legal Ombudsman’s gaze); and professional indemnity where the provider has access to consumers’ money (for example in estates management).

All of these will be welcome and essential developments, and frankly hard for anyone to argue with. But just as important is one further requirement: any body wishing to regulate will-writing must have a strategy in place to educate consumers about the process of making a will. With so many people still failing to cross that job off the to-do list, any development that raises the profile of will-making can only be a good thing.
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/blogs/blogs/news- ... -solicitors-too

Thankyou for reading.

KW

It is time to step up the urgency and teeth of the legislation now.
                 
As hay will be made faster while the sun still shines.

I have received a call from Kingsgate Legal Assistance to set up a trust to avoid possible future care home fees for my mother. They are quoting £1500. Is this a scam or not?

Be careful.    This is an extract from the June 2012 Saga Magazine, page 103, on exactly that question:

"Local Authority care rules forbid 'deliberate deprivation of assets' to avoid paying fees.
"If you are found to have entered into an arrangement that attempts to move assets out of the reach of the authority, it can treat you as if you still had the assets in your possession, or put a charge on the assets and seize the proceeds of any subsequent sale.
"Since the adviser is selling the trust idea on the basis that you can use it to avoid care-home fees, there is no doubt that your intention in setting up a trust would be 'deliberate deprivation'. So, by definition, the trust won't work"

£1500 for a Trust ruled invalid might not be a good investment.     Get independent advice.
Oh, and yes, I know that I am a sad old soul to be reading Saga Magazine.

H T Thankyou for your comments. Your post suggests that you received this quote over the phone, is that correct? It is unusual for them to do this, without gathering information with regard to your mother's personal circumstances.

They normally cold call you and offer you a home visit with a Consultant giving free advice on how to protect your assets.

We suggest that you go to a Reputable Solicitor who is regulated by The Law Society or a Professional Will Writer who is regulated by The Institute of Professional Will Writers (IPW) as they may be able to provide the same products for less.

Thankyou for reading.

KW