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Why do you not read the postings in the correct manner. Paul T is certainly not suggesting that the 100K was paid to Chris Payne, why do you say these things. Whilst I am talking about Chris Payne, you now appear to be having sympathy for him whereas a short time ago you completely ruined him on this site that lead to him receiving death threats, you also involved his wife with totally incorrect and outrageous comments, how about an unqualified apology to him and his family. You are still harping on about Thames, many times I have said to you, Thames is your company, you sort it. In some ways I feel sorry for you, you really must seek help.

Suggest you stick to the business of the 100k to Thurlstone.  No sympathy for Payne - he is in business with Burton and Duffell and responsible for ruining hundreds of victims' pensions.  If he is receiving death threats he should inform the police.  His ex-wife was selling Store First pods.  If you had cooperated with the independent accounting and auditing exercise I instructed months ago, all this could have been avoided.  Now, answer the question: 100k Thurlestone?  No more evasion tactics please.  You have already wasted quite enough time.

Whilst on about apologies why don't the members get one from the people who have caused all this? I haven't seen anything forthcoming from them that has been useful except to hinder any investigation otherwise an independent audit should have been carried out automatically instead if passing the buckby saying he said this, they did that, who benefits from all this while we struggle on with our lives and dread to think about the future if pensions not returned? All we want is straight answers to all our questions that have been put forward by genuine capita oak members?

As I said before you only attack, never even give a little. You say you know the answer about the 100K, you know who gave the instruction for the payment, so what do you want me to say? What do you mean that I should have cooperated with your instruction some months ago, when will you understand that you do not and never have had any authority to give instructions on Imperial. Finally I will not give make any official on the 100K until I receive the information from source, but as I said you know the answer or at least you think you do so why ask me when you know that I do not have first hand evidence. We shall continue to do our best and you can continue to do your worst. By the way, have you found the missing 1.2 million or is it still 2.2 million with extras?

As I said before you only attack, never even give a little. You say you know the answer about the 100K, you know who gave the instruction for the payment, so what do you want me to say? What do you mean that I should have cooperated with your instruction some months ago, when will you understand that you do not and never have had any authority to give instructions on Imperial. Finally I will not give make any official on the 100K until I receive the information from source, but as I said you know the answer or at least you think you do so why ask me when you know that I do not have first hand evidence. We shall continue to do our best and you can continue to do your worst. By the way, have you found the missing 1.2 million or is it still 2.2 million with extras?

That is the problem with this site, we do not know who the genuine people are, even if you have an avatar registered you can still post as other people, so why not phone me and I will update you on everything but I cannot do that on here

I think angie is about to explode very soon. Downs by the looks of things has her running around in circles, not knowing which way to turn.

She keeps asking the same questions for which he gives her answers. Then a while later she asks the same thing again.

I think she should write a book one day , as she would make an excellent fiction writer as she sounds like she is making up some cracking stuff on here.

A common thread in this discussion is " Where are the accounts?". I am sure 100k was not paid TO Metis Law, but to their client account which would mean it was still ITSL's money, so it should not have been hidden in the administration expenses as this was money paid to a loan company. The fact you did not know about this proves the point already mentioned on here, no proper accounts were kept by ITSL ltd. The law requires directors to keep proper accounting records and so it is obvious that there weren't any. From what Paul T has been posting, it looks like ITSL did not even have proper records of the assets Capita Oak owns.
How long does it take to get official information at source, more than four months?
Of interest to the members is the location of the rent. This has been asked many times and no information is provided. What is the latest information about a valuation? Months go by and still no valuation.

If you are a member you will know my number so give me a call. With regard to monies paid to Metis Law clients account, yes that is correct what you say but I can assure you that the authority to pay Thurlstone did not come from anyone here in Bromley, they were taking instructions from the director. I can assure you proper records of all income and payments were kept by the people in Bromley and the 100k was not hidden in admin expenses, large sums of monies were sent to ML for the purchase of the investments. Valuations will take place as soon as we are given the full details of the pods purchased and before anyone asks why we do not have these, they were probably handed to the director when the completions took place in 2012 and 2013. Please give me a call.

I think some straight answers are required, urgently, to straight questions.

1.Why no independent scheme and member accounts?
2.Why is the sole director of ITSL someone who was selling similar products to Store First i.e. Park First? (and whose brother is a convicted drug trafficker)
3.Why no valuations?
4.Why no communication from ML?
5.Why no communication from Store First?
6.Whose funds are paying Downs?
7.Why no explanation regarding the 100k to Thurlstone?
8.Why no compliance with the Ombudsman's determination re Mr. X?
9.Why no explanation regarding the missing rent?
10.Who made the decision to invest 100% of the members funds in Store First? (presumably the same person who received the 30% commission from SF).

Think Downs needs to address these matters immediately and give some transparency. Four months down the line and still no answers from him. The Ombudsman declared that ITSL was guilty of maladministration and it would appear this is continuing. All the above questions should have been fully answered months ago.

When Angie can't get her own way she writes as someone else.

She desperately wants to win support but her little earner is turning into  a pile of dog shIte.

It's like taking candy from a kid: too easy!

Bet that's what you lot said when you scammed everyone.

Look its quite simple. This 100k if no one knows who it belongs too, can I have it. Then every one will know who has it and where its gone and to whom. ?

I solemnly promise too look after it !  Honest you can trust me

1 THIS ANSWER HAS BEEN GIVEN SO MANY TIMES                                                                                                                                                     2ABSOLUTE NONSENSE  WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM                                                                                                                       3SEE POINT 1                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4THERE SHOULD BE VERY SHORTLY                                                                                                                                                                  5SEE POINT4                                                                                                                                                                                                            6NO COMMENT                                                                                                                                                                                                            7SEE 1 ABOVE                                                                                                                                                                                                         8 IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY AS FUNDS ARE IN STORE FIRST                                                                                                                           9 NOW BEING DEALT WITH BY SOLICITOR , SEE NO5 ABOVE                                                                                                                               10 YES, YOU ARE CORRECT BUT I WILL NOT NAME NAMES ON THIS SITE                                                                                                     11 IF YOU ARE A MEMBER YOU KNOW MY NUMBER , PLEASE CALL ME

Indeed.

Look at Highgate Trustees Ltd for example:

Registered address was originally:

SUITE 14 HALESFIELD BUSINESS CENTRE,
HALESFIELD BUSINESS PARK, HALESFIELD 8
TELFORD
SHROPSHIRE
TF7 4QN

Then briefly:

1 LABURNUM DRIVE
MADELEY
TELFORD
SHROPSHIRE
TF7 5SE

This is the home address of Daniel Nigel Crane who is the sole shareholder.
He is also a personal friend of James Hadley, as is Karl Dunlop (they ran an LLP together).

Yiasmin Freestone, former director of Highgate and Thames works for a nominee company based in Telford (as is Hadley).

Hadley appointed previous directors to ITSL.

It really doesn't matter what else comes up to deflect the issue this appears to be Hadley's project which he has brought other people in to work on. My guess is that Hadley got legal advice from Fowler and then brought others in to handle the admin side of things. The scheme sounds legal. Costly, yes, but as a way of people accessing their pension funds it would work as conceived and was probably not illegal. Things seem to have gone wrong when it was marketed to people looking for higher returns on pensions. That is when the 8% per annum from Storefirst becomes important. Previously it was only the valuation of the assets that mattered at the point they went into the SIPP.

Once again we are back to the Liverpool sales operation and decisions around investing in SF, which is where this all started.

We are not going to get an answer to that if we keep calling people crooks who didn't do anything illegal or apparently make much cash from it. Ward didn't seem to make very much at all so I am at a loss to understand why he is being portrayed as a ringleader.

I see angie has gone quiet for a few hours. Maybe its time for her morning medication and they have told her to have a lie down for a while!!

At last someone who listens and then makes a comment. Many thanks

Early pension access is not illegal, as I read it. It is subject to an unauthorised payment charge. The marketing of pension liberation without mentioning the potential tax charge has resulted in the police making arrests on similar arrangements. The Pension Regulator is the body that refers to the marketing of  this type of scheme as a scam or pension fraud. If the crook badge offends, then the people concerned should take this up with the regulators.
The SIPPs are a seperate issue, this is an occupational scheme with a faked employer and no employees as members. One could argue a SIPP member is responsible for the investments. In this case the administrator is responsible, and not the members, for all investment decisions.
There is a general consensus that Hadley contrived the scheme and if SF were not in on all of this, together with SCC, then I think we would be very surprised.
Ward's history is well documented, but he would have known that this scheme would fail under scrutiny but still wanted to get 75,000 from it. Small change for him probably.
Can we list the honest people attached to this scheme?

Very good questions Interested!! i wholly agree with 10, would be very interesting to find out who received the 30% commission...no doubt will be a close friend of TW, which is why the investment was made in SF
In my opinion both Angie and Downs are starting to sound a bit clownish now..not professional at all.  Paul T seems to be bringing a different direction to it all but gets shot down when he doesnt seem to mention the names certain people want to hear.
At the end of the day the most importnat thing is to try help people transfer their pensions out and receive the rent thats due.

I am restricted by the rules of my association from making certain comments, I am certainly not being obstructive in any way but as I have said many times if you are a member please phone me. I do reserve the right to defend the outrageous comments made by some who are posting. Please do not call me unprofessional, I am being forced to defend against lies.