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More bad press for the bully boys from CVS

Do you really think anyone reads this page Jason? It's very easy to wind you up and watch you bite! Regards to all at Cheating Vile Scumbags - CVS

The people behind this who claim to help businesess  get money back from bogus companies who are set up to scam people are the very people who have set up bogus companies for years to scam money out of small businesses around the uk by appealing business rates and then taking the money and running.  Every company they have been involved in has been liquated as soon as the authorities are hit on their heels. And most registered at exactly the same address as the one they have registered the 'utilty bill helpline' at.
Some off the companies they have been behind are
IDC business rates
Duncan Regents
Business rates helpline
Plus many many many more
They have already deceived small businesess for millions and millions  around the uk with the above mentioned companies and done absolutely diddly squat for the money their victims have been conned into having over as they believe they were going to get refunds on their business rates, once the money been handed over their victims files just closed down and a paper chase takes place to prolong the con being noticed.
Now they have set the 'utility bill saver' up to contact the very victims they have conned by their dodgy business rawtes companies to now offer refunds back to them by going to the credit card companies and claiming it back that way and then charging them a percentage off the fees reunited back with their victims.
So yes stay clear and yes contact the authorities if you have been a victim off any off their fraud.

I can't believe I have read this. I got caught out by two off these companies a few yrs ago and lost my money. Are you saying i was conned by these people and twice ?
How can they get away with this and still be operating, surely this is major crime.  Why haven't the police done something. What kind of protection do we have in this country if these people are allowed to do these things to us and get away with it.
Very angry!!

The police simply cannot be bothered to do anything, everyone knows this is a well known scam, in fact the directors had been imprisoned previously for another business rates scam. Obviously scamming people is the only way they know how to make money.

The directors of utilty bill helpline have been imprisoned?? When was that and for which business rates company they were behind.
Was is for Duncan Regents , IDC , business rates helpline? Or any off the other rouge con companies they set up to scam the nation? If they have been jailed already how do they think they can keep getting away with the utilty bill helpline which clearly links them to all their shoddy business rates companies. Please tell me more

No I think that comment relates to the company this thread was created about - have a look at the previous poster's username for a clue to who this may be. These complaints about these other companies you have mentioned - who have their own individual pages of complaints on this site - have been used as a smokescreen by the same very company who are sick of the negative comments made about them here. They cannot admit they are a scam company, but they are being helpful at pointing out all of the other scam companies around them that also operate in the same dodgy line of business.

Hey Elizabeth are you one off the Davies crew as your post seems to come in just after all the crap that's been spammed on here after post after post after post about the Davies empire and all the evidence to show that the Davies family are heavily in a 'conspiracy' to defraud the public and have been for yrs and yrs and yrs under the companies such as
'The business rates helpline'.         Director Gary Davies
'Duncan Regents business rates'   Director Carron Davies
'IDC business rates'                        Director Ian Davies
Plus many many more all set up to defraud the public and mis sell in every way to steal hard earned money.

And now the 'business rates helpline'. Director Gary Davies
Which is offering to get money back from the credit card companies off the very companies they were behind!!

Serious conspiracy and carries 10 yrs in prison for as it's is business fraud on every level.

As I don't know why you would answer a question so direct as you have when the question wasn't even too you and about whether or not the Davies family had been locked up already for their past crimes. It was CVS who said they had and I was wondering why you decided to reply and say it was about the 'previous poster' who are a fully RICS qualified rates company who DONT charge money up front and have compliance to follow and charge a percentage for their service. Yes they have their own issues they deal with as do any large company as complaints on that size off business are always going to arise. But let's be clear here we are talking here about a multi multi multi multi million pound business conspiracy to defraud the public that has been going on for yrs and yrs and yrs and yrs by the Davies family. So why are u diverting the post Elizabeth and also so quick after all the spam and spam and spam that was posted on here about jargon to take a break and divert from the posts after posts after posts about what the Davies family are up too. They do this spamming on every site that their scams are talked about and it's for every company they have had.  Just go and look yourself.
Put their names in google or their companies
IDC business rates
Business rates helpline
Duncan Regents

And your will see the same patten after patten of how they spam to divert or stop the post once they can see the heat is right under their nose.

Now it may have worked before as people are silly sometimes and don't see what the reason all that spam has been placed their for. But there now 3 off us dedicated to bringing this family to account. Sad David Glump has disappeared. Maybe they have assainated him or sent a heavy round to see him. As he was on them yrs ago. Good on him and let's hope he returns and joins us at showing the public what these people are about and also then helping the trading standards scam busters team get a conviction against this family. Their investigations are lengthy and take many years   But they will secure a conviction.

I'm sure CVS want them convicted as much as anyone as the damage they are trying to do to cvs is unreal who are a straight company who yes have watertight contracts and are there to make money but operate legitametly and professionally and are bound by the rules off the Regulator.

Where these num nuts cowboys from Bolton are nothing more than the bottom feeders who sit there and steal others concepts and make them as dirty as possible whin then tarnishes eveyone else in the same industry.

This lot have been battering  my clients and accusing our company off so much  and trying to get our clients to turn against us.
Thanks for the heads up on their past and explanation of who they are and how they work. Makes sense now of why we have been getting so many nervous clients questioning our integrity.
At least I can now direct my clients to these web forums about utilty bill helpline and who they really are.
We rating companies must stick together and squeeze theee cowboys out off the industry. And also show them up for what they are.

Pushy caller looking to speak with someone about business rates, then it is a private financial matter - very rude.

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So many refunds that utilty bill helpline have got back for clients by simply claiming through their credit card company, not rocket science and just a standard letter that anyone can send.  The internet has many templates that are totally free to downlload.
So why utilty bill helpline feels the need to charge large commissions for this simple letter I will never know.
And to then claim they are 'the good guys' makes me actually want to vomit. As they have targeted companies that they themselves have already scammed previously by placing false business rates claims to the valuation office and charged large upfront fees for filling in a simple online form that anyone can do and once again for free.
These guys charged anything from 250 pounds to 450 pounds.for a  simple 2 second online appeal that they had no intention of following  through. Hence why 'the utilty bill helpline' has so many happy clients, as the 'utility bill helpline' staff and directors are the directors off or were involved in running, even if that was in the shadows of the companies they now attack and get refunds back from.
I have also just recently been given new information regarding other companies they were 'allegedly' involved in which up too now they have managed to keep away from these forums.
These companies are:

Morgan  Whittackers
Higigns and Thomas
Laneset uk
Duncan Regents
IDC business rates
Business rates helpline.

I will be back with more info as my investigation continues.

Can you tell me what this has got to do with CVS and why would you post this on here when it appears to have no relevance to CVS?

Also, why, if you are truly trying to bring any companies to task are you not dealing with the authorities directly about any so-called scam companies rather than just posting on here and why are you not using your name when you make your post if you are genuine?

It´s simple really:

1) If any business wants to appeal their business rates contact The Valuation Office directly as this is FREE.

2) If any business has a real issue with the services of any so called scam company then depending on how serious your complaint is either contact your local TRADING STANDARDS OFFICE or contact ACTIONFRAUD.

I agree with your comments about the idiots who post abuse on here but don´t agree with the rest so let’s clear this up once and for all:

NO WIN NO FEE: except in cases where the measurements are obviously wrong most cases have a range of potential success. There are some with no chance, some with a small chance up to some that have a very good chance. In order to have success we must all agree there needs to be a degree of work carried out and that level of work increases if it is a difficult case and if it has to go beyond being discussed in a programme and actually go on to a hearing. If the eventual outcome is not successful who pays for the work carried out and will that company continue looking for other grounds and ways of achieving success taking the chance these cases may require more work with the possibility of no success. THEREFORE IT BECOMES FAIRLY OBVIOUS: either the work isn't done and fingers cross there is a reduction to charge for or everyone who gets a reduction pays ridiculously high fees to cover the cost of the work.  This is why there is normally a policy for no win no fee only to take on the bigger RV's and to charge fifty percent of the entire reduction.

FEE PAYING: normally the fees cover all the work over a period of the assessment and represent the cost of employing a proper chartered surveyor to deal with the case(s). Upon success there is normally a small commission as a one off and this is true of any subsequent savings. The issue here is that while it is much cheaper upon success people feel aggrieved if the outcome does not show a reduction. When you buy a product you can see what you get but a service is different and it's harder to recognise that everything comes at a cost. There is also the issue that there is no chartered surveyor doing any work and in many cases a fly by night company.....Hopefully, now that the new Check, Challenge and Appeal system is in place, this will eliminate any and all of the fly by night business rates scam companies who set up one day then disappear the next, taking the money, doing nothing in return without every filing any accounts whilst trading as from the 01st April 2017 the agent has to be fully accountable.

Another issue is that people with no win no fee who don't see success feel that’s ok because it hasn't cost them anything but what they can't say for sure is was the work actually done. Do people really work for nothing remember and is there a reduction in there that perhaps needed a bit of real work or the refund would be small and while beneficial to them of no value to the company.

And then you get the idiots on these sites who keep saying do it yourself..... Well unless its cos your measurements are obviously wrong it isn’t that easy and you could actually be under assessed and therefore your rates will go up. It does cost nothing to submit the appeal but then you have to gather and present evidence and even go to a hearing having prepared a statement of case.  More idiots who didn't understand vent their frustrations and anger and then there are the stalwarts who trawl every site like this sitting and waiting to make comments which are mainly adverse and in some cases just personal abuse. You have the likes of one guy who sees himself as some sort of business rates super hero and he is linked to all the ratings sites constantly slagging everyone off under many user names when in reality he then goes after any people complaining offering to deal with it therefore using the sites as data. He always asks for their post codes....look for him/her! He/she also claims that you don't need to be a chartered surveyor but then he would as he is not one. There are people who come on here for fun and some who think it is a truly valuable site. IT REALLY CAN'T be if anyone can say anything and it is immediately uploaded never to be removed. Try it! Just look at the unrelated nonsense on all of these sites.

As with hospital treatment you can only speak as you find ... People who get reductions are happy and those who don't are not...the views of people repeating themselves constantly on these sites are suspect as why do they continually trawl these sites, almost daily looking for reasons to make a comment...bit OCD or guilty of a crime themselves! They are actually hooked on looking waiting for a new entry to make comment on.

The Valuation Office will do it for free as you suggest but unless the business knows what they are doing this is and can be a very complex process.

Action Fraud will have absolutely no interest in any fly by night rating company unless that is any actual fraud has taken place and Trading Standards do not get involved in any matter that concerns a business to business agreement unless again there has been a serious offence committed by the trader.

Any business who is looking to challenge their business rates should make sure that they only use a Chartered Surveyor. There are leading firms of Chartered Surveyors who cover the whole country, but for a small shop your local firm of Chartered Surveyors offering rating advice should be quite adequate. Also you can call the RICS consumer helpline.

http://www.rics.org/uk/footer/contact-us/rics-consumer-helplines/

and they should put you in touch with a local Chartered Surveyor who offers some free rating advice. If RICS can't help try Rating Surveyors' Association - there's a find a surveyor on their homepage.

https://ratingsurveyorsassociation.org/

I will post this advice on every ratings site and would encourage people to read through and see for themselves the rubbish and the obvious personal abuse blogged by people with axes to grind with nothing better to do in their lives.

No...there is no 'clearing this up for once and for all'. If you did not rip businesses off then there would be less complaints about your company. That is pretty simple to understand, no?!

Bottom line is that utilty bill helpline is a massive con.  End off.  And most off these posts about cvs news etc etc etc aren't from anyone at cvs or from anyone else apart from staff at utilty bill helpline and probably 'Davies' himself who has been under the spotlight and doesn't like it.
Also this post automatically for some reason links to another separate post which is all about Duncan Regents'  which was 'Davies' wife's company that was another company that he was behind to dupe people into believing they was a reputable rating company.
Davis can post as much crap on here as he wants to divert the real posts about him and his operations. But bottom line is he is like a rabbit in the headlamps and it's only a matter off time !  I do own and run a rating company yes and a very good one. And I can't stand 'cowboys' spoiling the industry. And I especially despise con artists. Davies you have attacked my company as well as others in the industry. Thinking you are clever to get a quick buck. That quick buck is going to cost you that's all I will say. And it's not a threat it's a promise.
This industry needs cleaning up from fraudsters such as you.

For the fear of repeating myself, can you tell me what this has got to do with CVS and why would you post this on here when it appears to have no relevance to CVS?

Also, why, if you are truly trying to bring any companies to task are you not dealing with the authorities directly about any so-called scam companies rather than just posting on here and why are you not using your name when you make your post if your whiter than white rating company is genuine?

Do you not understand, this site was set up by a professional scammer and convicted fraudster. She has a couple of phishing scam websites purporting to report telemarketers. In reality it is used to extort money from victims by her and others of bogus abuse online as this site allows any idiot to post abuse about any company or individual in the belief they are safe behind their aliases.

The long diatribe about legality by her is a joke as she truly believes that the burden of proof of a statement is on the abused, ie you must prove the statement is not true! Her lack of legal knowledge of understanding of logic is astounding and is nothing more than a charter for cowardly/blameshift guilty scam artists to post abuse online anonymously. In reality she adds to any bad reviews posted by herself in the U.S.A to generate income and commit daylight robbery and fraud.

Again, despite what Mr Bletchly has stated it´s simple really:

1) If any business wants to appeal their business rates contact The Valuation Office directly as this is FREE.

2) If any business has a real issue with the services of any so called scam company then depending on how serious your complaint is either contact your local TRADING STANDARDS OFFICE or contact ACTIONFRAUD.

See how the deluge of spammy posts by CVS were deleted recently? You cannot bury the truth, no matter how hard you try.

Very rude, arrogant and pushy caller demanding to speak to the owner of the company (who he asked for by name) on some vague premise to do with business rates and surveying. When told that this person is not based on site demanded to speak to his representative. When asked to email, he responded "I don't send emails". Claimed to have already sent a letter and when I politely suggested that if the owner is interested they will follow up the letter, the caller replied "That's why I need to speak to him! It's the follow up." I pointed out that if that was the case, he would have a direct contact. Offered to put him through to our finance department and he hung up.