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Watching from the wings replies to Just googling

Looks like another Patrick (James) Green ploy to divert attention away from anti OE comments!
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Hi @watching from the wings. I don't think you understood the post, as it was not a diversion as it unlikely to be read as pro OE, the antithesis of the WB quote could be;
“We can afford to lose reputation – even a lot of reputation,” he says. “We cannot afford to lose money – even a shred of money…

I have made a just a few posts, and on 2 occasions been accused of being in OE employ. I am not. I dont think that the post fits with that of an employee, and can't imagine why anyone would think the above quote was a diversion or even more obscure that I am OE. Since the thread is around 80 pages long mainly negative, I think a serious diversion would be to have 800 pages of undiluted positive spin. A single post could not divert, especially one that was not particularly complimentary. Would you not agree that in retrospect ( was going to say hindsight ) your comment is wide of the mark....

Beyond my powers, and if anyone has the knowledge, may not have the will after reading this thread.

For those of you who don't know dry eyes are one of the more common complications of laser surgery. Tears are not particularly easy things to measure, and they are made up of grease mucus and water. The most sophisticated way of measuring the tears is to check the osmolarity. The technology is there to do it.

Anon posted this message for Sasha on Page 60:

"Please keep on at PJG - when you go too far and actually accuse him of murder his retaliation will make good news."

I see Anon hasn't responded to Eshan! In fact none of OE or PJG's aliases have responded to deny Eshan's claim. Interesting!

@ Hope at last
I'm not a PJG alias or an OE employee or in any way connected to the laser vision correction industry.

Nothing to respond to in Eshan's post.  If Eshan knows so much, why not go to the police, unless it's the product of an inventive but warped mind, Eshan was involved, is a moral coward or any combination of the three.  Post some proof, go to the police or just shut up.

Too early to see what the extent of any retaliation from PJG might be. It might still make good news.  Sasha's blood money from Optimax won't go far.

@Wondering, Ex OE etc
If you are just going to post repetitive rubbish, no point in trying to instigate a discussion.  Continue to wallow in the filth of your own making.

If you don't like my posts why the hell are you sat on this forum reading it and you claim you don't have anything to do with the laser  industry -why don't you shove off and go read another forum .

And don't post @ me - not interested in your rubbish .Go and have a discussion somewhere else - where someone is interested .

@Wondering
I posts @ whoever I like! Including you.  Don't like it - you stop posting.

I post here because I don't like bullies without the moral courage to do anything about their allegations.  They are either true or not.  You either have proof or not.

Reading your posts once was enough.  Don't keep on with the same old rubbish.  If you have proof of your claims, go to the police.  If not, shut up.

go buy a tissue box.

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@Idea
You are absolutely right.  Why doesn't everyone post on Sasha's forum and see how well she copes with free speech?

Just wondering if Optical Express can damage your eyesight as much as spending years on end squinting at a computer monitor every 24 seconds in the offchance that someone has posted a new comment on this thread?

Was posting when pages 82 & 83 vanished!

My response to Anon's posts (deleted) abusing Wondering of "fatuous drivel" and giving reasons why he shouldn't follow up Eshan's allegations that Patrick James Green murdered Andrew Elphick (page 80)
http://www.nickdavies.net/1993/07/01/the-death-of-a-material-boy/

A real journalist who had just heard Eshan's story would be biting at the bit, not finding so many excuses to dismiss it out of hand.

Before retaliating with more of YOUR "fatuous drivel", imagine if Nick Davies & Amelia Hill were so easily intimidated? If they had the chance of a big story and possible exclusive I doubt they'd mind being patient waiting to publish.  Bit like fishing ;)

I'm not a journalist but even I can figure out Jason Paul Brown is probably one of the two friends mentioned in Nick Davies' story, with Patrick James Green being the other.

Suggest you ask Eshan. He said he's contacted Sasha, so shouldn't be difficult to get a message to him!

"I see that Sasha hasn't got the guts to publish all of the allegations"
If you know nothing about the case then how do you know there are more allegations?

And you know Sasha personally? Oh yes, you claimed pages back that she contacted you in January/February wanting you to cover her campaign story.

Odd then that Sasha put it on record herself that she contacted the major press, not a self-alleged tinpot journalist with so little to do that he spends chunks of his time abusing people on a "backwater forum".  

You insult the intelligence of even the slowest person reading this thread by claiming to be a journalist.

I would suggest that if you expect us to believe you're anyone other than Patrick James Green you come out of the dirty little closet you're hiding in!

By the way Grammar Man, "fatuous riposte" is not a "contradiction in terms" - not even an oxymoron!

Fatuous = foolish, idiotic, witless, etc.
Riposte = manoeuver, to retort quickly, a return thrust, etc.

@Ex OE
riposte (noun) - A quick clever reply to an insult or criticism
fatuous (adjective) - Silly and pointless

The clue was in clever as in riposte compared with foolish as in fatuous.  I considered "oxymoron", but not a true oxymoron, because fatuous and riposte are not true opposites, hence use of  contradiction in terms.  Words are my profession.

Hence fatuous drivel to descibe Wondering's output.  She must have several screws loose, if they were ever fitted.

You've just demonstrated that you have no idea how a true journalist works.  Yes I need stories, but I also need to be able to use them.  No point in chasing Eshans story because I couldn't do anything with it, even if true.  You also need to be a judge of character in my job and Eshan does not ring true.

If true, any information would need to be directly handed to the police.  If I did not, I could be charged with anything between obstruction and accessory.  If there was anything of use in the police files, it would be exempt from FOI because the case is still open and no statute of limitations on murder.

If Eshan has evidence then he/she should use it and go to the police.  If he/she has contacted Sasha, she should forward it to the police.  It's of no use - I couldn't publish until after any prosecution, by which time everyone would have it.  Get real.

No, I don't know Sasha personally, but have corresponded with a number of people who do.  Yes, I did email her about her experiences, but she only wanted to deal with the mainline media.  Look where it got her.

If you go to Sasha's website you will find a page on Patrick James Green and on the Twitter feed at the top right of the page a link to the allegations posted here:
"Patrick MURDERED Andrew Elphick... "
Optical Express employee Patrick James Green accused of murder online!

That's what I meant when I said that  Sasha hasn't the guts to publish all the allegations.  She's happy to hide behind another website and let them take the flak, but not to post allegations directly on her own website.

I don't need to convince you that I'm not PJG and there's plenty more who need to identify themselves before I do - the numerous herd members and their aliases to name just a few.

It's difficult to insult the intelligence of people like yourself and Wondering, don't belittle my efforts. ;)

You are full of __it!

Yes . You are the really clever one . Who claims to be a journalist . Isn't employed . And writes drivel even I can't be bothered to read aside from scanning to watch for references to me so I can put you straight .

A journalist would hopefully have the skill of writing something someone would want to read .

It's not nice to bully people on Internet forums and call them stupid or mental just because you don't agree with them. And tell lies about not being involved with the laser industry .

I know you are a part of the industry . Your language makes it obvious .
You must be working for Optical Express- I don't really believe anything you write or say because you deny working in that industry which I think is total lies .

Definitely a liar!
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Anon (the original)
26 Nov 2012

...I was one of many approached to publish the story when Sasha first started her campaign...
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Anon (the original)
27 Nov 2012

.... As for contacting Sasha , she contacted me - at the start of her campaign....
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Anon (the original) replies to ExOE
1 h 3 min ago

...Yes, I did email her about her experiences, but she only wanted to deal with the mainline media...
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QED

Anon's anonymous email address:

DailyGlobe@hmamail.com

If the thread is hoping to damage OE, allegations of an incident which happened before this person was an employee may not deliver that. Perhaps.

It's what the company is or is not doing now that will make or break it. Ex OE professionals who look at this site will know what the senior professionals in the company have to do, and ask their junior colleagues to carry out. These senior professionals have taken the kings schilling and need to pass on the will of the board to those working in store. A fundamental job of the professional staff is to confirm the absence of abnormality and disease, and a barrier to treatment is in the detection of such problems. One way of reducing the detection of problems, is to reduce the time permissible for each consultation. This has been done in many ways, and possibly some EX OE may post what they have had to accept on a day to day basis in terms of how their appointments are managed.

The senior professionals in the company must accept the commercial / professional trade off, and the junior colleagues have no control in how many people are booked in. I wonder how many reading this have been kept waiting for lengthly periods. The reason for this is diary management which is totally controlled by head office.

I think this thread needs a glut of posts from new people to enrich the postings away from the drudgery of speculating all new posts are Sascha or Patrick.....

@anon I was on holiday when you posted that temporary e-mail address. If you can put up another one I would be more than happy to e-mail you. The new opticalexpressruinedmylife website is a bit of a Sasha Rodoy infomercial and you've definitely got her rattled. She responds to many of the things you've said on here. She also accuses anyone with a different point of view of being an OE employee, sound familiar? She's obviously reading every post you make on here and is terrified the truth will come out about her grubby little ways!

Made me laugh how when "Insider" who was obviously being sarcastic said they were PJG she quoted them and put it on her website! There's nothing are Sasha likes more than taking comments out of context and twisting the truth. Also made me laugh how Sasha goes on about OE gagging orders and how despicable they are yet makes no mention of the fact that she has signed an Optimax gagging order. The hypocrisy of the woman has no limits.

@Wondering
Yes a journalist, a freelance, working for myself.  My bread and butter work is health/lifestyle.  It brings a reasonable living.  I approached Sasha by email, she emailed me. I signed her petition. End of story, until I checked to see how the petition was going.  Saw that it was stalled, tried to find out what had happened to the campaign and nothing was happening.  A few emails and a couple of meetings and the story of Sashas sell out was there, I just needed more confirmation.  Then I came upon this nest of vipers.

Whatever you say, you have read my posts.

Wondering said "It's not nice to bully people on Internet forums and call them stupid or mental just because you don't agree with them. And tell lies about not being involved with the laser industry".  

I entirely agree - that's why I started replying to your posts - you were intent on seeing that your repetitive drivel drowned out any dissenting response, twisting responses to your own ends.  Falsely claiming that reading with interest had forced you into arranging a meeting or had instigated the name calling.  Then backing off on the pretence that he may be violent, when it was probably you that he should be scared off.

Think whatever you like.  In fact you should try it sometime ;)

I don't work for the laser industry or any of the associated personalities/companies and never have.  The allegations/lies all come from you and, until you do something about it, like inform the police then you are either a moral coward or a liar.

I'd be very interested to know how my language makes it "obvious" that I work for the industry.  I have never defended the industry and also agreed that all of the three major players stink.


@Ex OE
Read the above.  
Pleased to see that you have wasted your time scanning back over 30 pages. Nothing at all inconsistent in any of the details re Sasha.  All she needs to do is look at her emails.  Yes, over a year ago, but Sasha is fanatical about recording everything.  Every email, screen shots of forums, conversations, everything.  Then she twists it and uses it, like she uses people.

@Watching from the wings
It's a never ending circle, the bullying tactics are far more effectively used by anti OE factions.  It's the herd instinct. I was initially shouted down, not because I supported OE, but because I dared to criticise Sasha. I've never supported OE and its practices, but it's the standard accusation for anyone with a different agenda.

I'll no doubt get falsely accused of working for OE/Moulsdale again, but doubt very much whether there is any organised campaign by OE on this website.  Why should they raise the profile of this thread?  Especially when

I have absolutely no doubt that there are numerous posts from Sasha under different aliases and probably the same from people who Sasha has upset, which may include PJG.

People should try posting on Sasha's new forum and see just how much free speech she allows.  It's fine for her or one of her followers to post allegations here and then to link from her own site, but she's fly enough not to allow it on her site.

@FYI
Hi Sasha.  That email address was a temporary, used only to make contact with informer.  Link satisfactorily established now.  Some interesting info exchanged!